One thing not discussed is the tie in of tech between Cingular and Apple At the Keynote the voicemail integration was at the network level If the iPhone is unlocked and used on a different network then unless Apple/Cingular allow other networks to use the same level of intergration then you will be stuck with an iPhone that has features missing This Has to have been thought out as if the phone is going to Europe and Asia the tech MUST be portable cross network, but I will bet that Apple will similarly partner with networks in those regions and the same issues will arise in every territory. Alex On 11 Jan 2007, at 03:50, John wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: > What bothers me about the Apple iPhone product is that the > telephony side of it is a bit weak. It supports EDGE for data > access at best, not even a 3g technology. This is going to make > using it for web browsing painfully slow. > > The cynical in one might say that this is done intentionally to > prevent Cingular from taking a decent cut from iTunes music store > purchases via the phone since they will be inconveniently slow. > I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it > supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 > does, allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I > have a 802.11 wireless connection. I have read discussion about this, and most people seem to think it will support 3G when it rolls out to Europe. Plus there is talk of a CDMA version.... who knows. One of the larger factors is that 3G supposedly eats batteries. WiFi does too... so I don't know if that argument holds water. Further, the battery is non-removable, so it may be very inconvenient in any event which technology you use. I mean, to sync music wirelessly (one feature people want), probably eats up a lot of battery. I'm sure Apple is considering the fact that the user will have their device attached to an iPod connector which supplies a data connection and power while syncing. I mean, that was the benefit of the original iPod - over firewire it charged AND synced at the same time. Only a handful of devices at the time supported charging over USB. And now people want to remove that feature, which I think distinguished it and added to it's simplicity. I have doubts the iPhone will support VOIP out-of the box, but I have all the faith in the world that this will become the fastest hacked device on the market when it is released. John _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium at listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984