<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">No, not kidding. I know the costs. Perhaps my word choice was poor. I believe that one should, like Apple for instance, make their APIs and devkits free to developers. Not 3500/year for ADC membership. It is my opinion that is what Apple should do; make ADC membership free to developers. Especially Apple, which seems to make things difficult for their developers every few years or so, or, alienates them by copying their applications and including them in their OS as a feature every so often. Also, I feel they should make it free because of their smaller market share. There are many reasons one could argue for or against this notion. Now, maybe you want to take a class, or go to WWDC, then you can pay for that. But my point was, I suppose it isn't all that bad that they're charging 1K for the Intel dev kit as it includes a computer. I didn't know that it was a rental, however. Now I don't know what to think. I'm not a developer, just a lowly IT manager, so I couldn't care less. I use Macs because at home I like being a user, not a sysadmin. I don't want to re-compile my kernel at home, or compile my software from source (again, at home). I just want it to work when I plug in my digital camera, or other such banal activities, and I like the quality of their hardware and the elegance of OS X.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>--alan</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 7, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Shawn King wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I was kind of under the impression that if you wanted people to</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">develop software for your platform, you wouldn't try to gouge them to</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">pay for the tools to do so.</FONT></P> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">You're kidding, right? It costs Developers up to $3,500/year to be members</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">of Apple's ADC Premier Membership and $500/year to be a ADC Select Member.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>