I still cannot send mail with MAIL.app. I have MAIL prefs set the same as Internet/network prefs. My outgoing server is same as incoming. In account information in MAIL, the outgoing server is set correctly to mail.ispdr.net.au. This is the choice in the dropdown menu. Also in the menu is smtp.ispdr.net.au and smtp.mac.com. smtp.ispdr.net.au is actually first on the list, but not selected. MAIL tells me all the time it can't find outgoing server on port 25 at, and here it changes. Sometimes it says smtp.ispdr.net.au and sometimes mail.ispdr.net.au. I am using OSX 10.2.3 Can someone help me solve this problem? Is there some way to delete the other 2 server names? I have no trouble with Eudora X Thanks Pat