Thanks for each of you that have given input on this. apple has some TILs that covers this iPod: How to Get the Most out of the Battery http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61434 iPod: The Battery Status Indicator Is Approximate http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61475 Quoted " If iPod provides significantly less than 10 hours of play using the test above, follow the tips discussed in technical document 61434: "iPod: How to Get the Most Out of Your Battery." If, after following these tips, iPod still provides significantly less than 10 hours of play from the battery, then there may be an issue that the Apple service center should diagnose. You can arrange for service at the iPod Service Web site (http://depot.info.apple.com/ipod/)." now if i can just spell the subjects correctly! -ipod sort battery life - oh brother! frank farwell