> In an earlier age, when I had a Performa, I had both Quark and > Photoshop that someone installed for me. Years later, I have an iMac > running Jaguar, and I'd like to get back into photo manipulation and > page layout. Does anyone know where I can get either of those > programs, or reasonably similar ones, without paying an arm and a leg? As others have already suggested, Graphic Converter is one of the best programs available for handling pictures. Forget Quarck, their support for the Mac sucks. There are a lot of good competing programs, just search Version Tracker for Web Design or Page layout. My personal pick is Canvas 8, it does photo stuff too. It's not cheap but it is pretty much an all purpose graphics program, does bitmap/paint stuff, vector graphics, page layout, etc, etc. Since it can take the place of several different specialized programs its price becomes pretty reasonable. I've used it since way back to version two. Oh yeah it also does scale drawings and dimensioning, CAD like stuff. I first started doing to do office setups using scale images of desks, chairs, etc. Our unit was able to move to another part of our building in one 8 hour day, other units took several days. The difference was the exact scale layouts we worked to. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Dave Flory, San Jose, CA. daflory at pacbell.net Go Sea Kayaking!! ©2002 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Speak softly and study Aikido, then you won't need a big stick. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -