J said: >What's the cure for the beach ball when trying to save? See: http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html Item #3 The first thing that I would do is create a new user on the system, log in as the new user, and see if the problem goes away. If it does, the problem is a corrupted user preferences file. You can use dragster to reset your user preferences files. http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html Item #6 has a step by step diagnostic test for corrupted user preferences. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) How To Deal With Common OS X 10.3 Panther Problems http://www.macattorney.com/panther.html