Florin Alexander Neumann tapped out this message on 5/6/2003 2:50 PM >Too bad. Grab seems pretty stable on my system. Just idle curiosity, >but what does the Console say about it? At 4:43p -0400 2003.05.06, TheMacintoshLady retorted: >Nothing a human could understand to be sure! @#$%@#$% Perhaps he meant that if you were sufficiently cooperative so as to cut and paste the relevant messages into a reply, then some altruistic individual (mayhap even human, just different) could have shed some light on your problem. Or perhaps it _was_ just idle curiosity... At 4:31p -0400 2003.05.06, TheMacintoshLady wrote: >What is that services menu for anyway? None of it works. Are all the items dimmed? Or are there no items in the submenu? The former means that there is no selection or content to which any of the items might apply. The latter means that you have an errant service item bollixing up the works. -- Overwhelming fear is not an excuse for rudeness - Edd (Double-D)