Thank you so much you wonderful people. I found I had a 3 disk install Panther for my iBook and there is the Epson No 2 driver install. So now I have my Epson Printer utilities working on Panther:-))). Apparently, this was not factory installed on my G5. Birgit Rhoads >> Ok Jon >> >> My printer utility problem is solved thanks to Jim Eddy's post. >> >> The 3rd panther installation disc has an Epson No 2 Installation >> package that I did not know about. >> >> After installation, Epson Printer utilities are up an running, head >> cleaning and all. >> >> albert