On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:55 PM, Eugene Lee wrote: > My suggestion: if the workarounds work, rip it. If the workarounds > don't work, forget it. Either way, return the CD and demand a full > refund because you were sold a product that was falsely advertised to > be a CD, i.e. a Compact Disc(tm), when it actually is not (the scheme > used to "protect" the disc causes it to no longer comply with the > official "Red Book" standard and thus are no longer real audio CDs). Demand your money back. Look for the stylized CD logo. If it's on the product, file a complaint with Phillips. Start here: <http://www.licensing.philips.com/> j mcd