I would suggest looking at the Fink site. I don't even have my G5 yet, but I have been doing some digging in anticipation :-) Unfortunately, things don't seem to be as straight forward as in a Linux distro. Apparently there are some people that have been using Fink code and not posting changes and/or packaging as commercial, which can violate the GPL. GRAMPS (genealogy software) seems to have been forked from another (read earlier) version to run on X11 than what is being developed for Linux, etc. What I would really like to see is an X11 e-mail list for beginners. Hello listmom!!! This fits within the philosophy of "lowend mac" by reducing software expenditures and lessening the reliance on proprietary (closed/unfree) software. I hope someone is listening :-) My 2 cents, Brian On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:59:46 -0800, Philip Robar <philip.robar at myrealbox.com> wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > > > And where can I find out more about the ones I already have as part of > > Panther? For instance - if I wanted to try out text editing, or > > Usenet, > > or email with a CL program using Terminal - where do I begin? > > There are many UNIX tutorial type books available. Among the better > ones is: > > Practical Guide to the UNIX System, A, 3/E > ISBN: 0-8053-7565-1 > Publisher: Addison-Wesley > Copyright: 1995 > Format: Paper; 800 pp > Published: 08/09/1994 > > http://www.aw-bc.com/catalog/academic/product/0,,0805375651,00%2ben- > USS_01DBC.html > > Amazon has some very inexpensive used copies. > > Also said to be good is: > > Learning Unix for Mac OS X Panther > By Dave Taylor, Brian Jepson > 1st Edition December 2003 > ISBN: 0-596-00617-9 > 184 pages > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lunixpanther/ > > As to pre-compiled I don't know, but for things not already supplied > with Mac OS X this is the best place to start: > > Darwin ports: http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ > > And course there are many, many UNIX tutorial available via the web. > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >