I just used software update on my QS 933 to get latest on Tiger, just the Mac OS update, about 28 MB. It said to restart or shut down afterwards. I said ok restart. QS went off as usual and then on but just froze screen with that Xish icon at the centre, no spinning mouse curser or anything no matter moving the mouse. I had to switch off at the power! (What else can one do ? On my old 7300 I had escape keys and power buttons.). Anyway, restarting did not help. I held option down and picked to start in 9 and it did but had to check/ repair the 9 volume as it had noticed it had not been shut down properly. At least the machine noticed something! I simply chose my X vol in startup control panel and restarted and this time it fired up in reasonably short order. There is no proper message about "your new update has been loaded or is being... " then or before. Last time I updated Tiger (a whopping overnight download on dial up!) it restarted fine allbeit taking its time. I take it that no cursor and no sound from the tower for minutes on end (I reckon 10) meant it was frozen? Iam talking after the download is all over and I am trying to restart... Anyone else experience trouble of this kind in online updates? Any safer ways of doing it? Maybe i should have chosen "shut down" from the two options given when the download was complete (from the software update facility)? Why exactly is there not a third option like "do this later"? Why can't one _not_ drop one's dialup and continue working and next time one restarts, the software will do its embedding? Why is the download in such a hurry? Will the machine definitely forget to load the new if it does not hurry? Excuse me. I now feel a bit better. But still puzzled. David Elmo