I usually do not join in on "off topic" discussions such as this one. But here I will. This thread went off topic when someone complained about the UNIX flavor of answers to a purely legitimate NEWBY question. As I recall, this whole thing began when the original poster requested advice on automated translators for English/Spanish. One of the first responses mentioned Dashboard, which is part of OS X Tiger. This was a legitimate NEWBY answer. And then someone mentioned the desire for something better than Dashboard. And other user-friendly capabilities were mentioned, including two mentions of Babelfish which is available for use on the Internet. Folks pointed out the weaknesses of automated translators -- it is user beware! Newbies cannot assume that the translators exercise common sense all the time. The automated translators are best used as tools by people who are already somewhat familiar with the languages involved. That the thread ventured into UNIX with the FINK business was simply part of a set of legitimate answers. I am not one to dabble in UNIX, and in several years of using OS X Panther, I have yet to open "Terminal". I hate the idea of getting myself into command language. But I like knowing that there are technical solutions available to problems or requirements that newbie users have which cannot be adequately addressed through a GUI -- graphical user interface, the normal user interface. As I understand the etiquette of e-lists such as this one, there is no guarantee that all content will be relevant for all members of the list all the time. Members may ignore, trash, even write rules to sift out content. If one does not want to see mention of UNIX, one may have the e-mail client sift it out. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Mike Binstock wrote: > I throughly enjoy the Unix side of OS x and and since > I am a NEWBIE in that part of the basic operating > system I find the discussion of unix very acceptable. > > Keep it coming! > > > Mike > > --- Charles Martin <chasm at mac.com> wrote: > >>> From: Leah Aronoff <laronoff at fuse.net> >>> >>> Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. >> It is >>> incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, >> who worries about >>> things like how external drives work as backups, >> and which is best to >>> use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like >> that. . . . Leah >> >> I have to agree with Leah. This discussion is WHOLLY >> inappropriate to >> the X-Newbies list and should really be taken to >> private email. >> >> I'm not the list mom, but I signed up here because I >> wanted to help >> people who had NEWBIE type questions, and to learn >> FROM newbies about >> how they view and work with the Mac so that we can >> all benefit. >> >> This UNIX drivel is meaningless to 99% of the list >> and esoteric in >> the extreme to boot. >> >> Take it elsewhere, please. And next time, try to >> remember which list >> you're posting to. >> >> Cheers >> Chas >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies at listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___________________ > Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster. > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >