On 14 Apr, 2005, at 05:13, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > How many people, wonder actually use CL email and/or Usenet clients on > a > day to day basis nowadays? Many of you guys? Hardly at all? Do the > disadvantages of the CL interface outweigh the flexibility of CL input > and scripting? Or the other way around? > > How realistic is it to expect to run such important parts of one's life > by CL? > > Basically I'm wondering if I'm a bit silly to think of CL alternatives. The correct question to ask is ... how many people use more than one operating system, especially different flavors of Unix. The simple answer is ... ASCII and the Command Line tools are the only things which are guaranteed to work, and work the same way on all platforms. I used emacs/rmail and Gnus for more than 20 years (and still use it occasionally) until OS X finally came out. I get a huge volume of mail and depend on procmail to sort it out for me into multiple inboxes. My email server is IMAP based and runs on Tru64 Unix. I can, and have used, mail.app with my IMAP server because I do get a large volume of crap and I find the built-in mail.app SPAM filter much easier to use for flagging suspect messages than any of the other things which simply delete messages so that I never see them! The nice thing about command line tools is that you actually CAN know what they are doing. They don't "hide the headers" and other things trying to be "user friendly." But then again, I've been supporting multiple flavors of Unix on multiple platforms for 30+years now and portability, support of Open Standards and consistency are far more important for me than "a pretty faced GUI." [And my fingers are much faster than having to move the bloody mouse all over the place all the time.] T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.8 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill at mcgillsociety.org magill at acm.org magill at mac.com whmagill at gmail.com