On 30 Nov 2007, at 06:32, David Ledger wrote: > ... > That's the way some of the Linux distributions are going - at > least, the HP RedHat one is. It's the thing I most dislike about > Linux. Lots of people making trivial changes to make it the way > *they* think it should be. Under HP RedHat, 'ls' sorts the '.' > files amongst the others. Why? Are you sure this isn't configured in the distro's default .bash_profile or .bashrc? (or /etc/profile?) The GNU versions of the "standard utilities" are different from those in Posix, System V or the BSDs, but I personally think these changes are often (much needed) improvements upon the originals and are generally for the best. IMO Bash & the GNU utilis are what a modern Unix shouldbe aiming for - it's certainly my expectation in terms of ease-of-use. I'd be surprised if Dead Rat - or any other modern distro - is using any other version of `ls` than the GNU one. I think that - with a bit of hunting around - it should be possible to pin down how `ls` is being called and get it to behave the way you expect. Stroller.