Neil Laubenthal said: >>I wish the Dock were an optional program.... >You can do what I do . . . put it at the top and hide it. You can't >get rid of it but at least you never know it's there this way. Sure you can get rid of it. You can do so with any of these: Dock Death (free) http://www.nonamescriptware.com/forums/index.php?&act=Downloads&CODE=02&id= 15 Dock Toggler (free) http://www.nonamescriptware.com/forums/index.php?&act=Downloads&CODE=02&id= 14 DockDisabler (free) http://www.chaoticsoftware.com/extras.html KillDock (free) http://madej.ca/killdock/ You can then install an Application Menu, similar to OS 9's, with something like: X-Assist (free) http://members.ozemail.com.au/~pli/x-assist/ You will also need a utility to put the trashcan on the desktop (since it is gone now that the dock is gone) (Assuming that you aren't content with just using a keyboard shortcut): Trash X ($9) http://www.northernsoftworks.com/trashx.html And, of course, you will probably want to make the Apple menu like it was in OS 9 also: Xmenu (free) http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/freeware.php ClassicMenu ($10) http://www.sigsoftware.com/classicmenu/ FruitMenu ($10) http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/fruitmenu There you go. It's OS 9 in OS X! Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html