On Apr 17, 2005, at 5:04 am, John Azevedo wrote: > On Apr 16, 2005, at 11:25 PM, Stroller wrote: > >> I REALLY want [Apple] to introduce ... underlining [of] shortcut >> titles when I press ALT, so I know which button to press next to >> activate the shortcut. > > Why not just look next to the Menu Item's title? Because in order to do this I have to either: - take my hand off the keyboard & use the mouse to open the menu item. - press CTRL-F2 (without accidentally hitting CTRL-F1 on the way there, thereby disabling keyboard access) and then right-arrow several times, in order to find the correct menu item. If you've never used Windows or KDE much, then perhaps you won't know to what I'm referring. Let's say I'm reading your message in Mail.app, and I happen to wonder what email program you use - "I'll pop open the long-headers & see if there's an `X-Mailer:' header", I think. - If I happen to know that Apple-shift-H is the appropriate key-combo to view the message's full headers, I'm laughing, but personally I find there are only a handful of Mac shortcuts that I can ever remember. - Otherwise to open the long headers using the keyboard I have to CTRL-F2, press the right-arrow 4 times, the down arrow 5 times, the right-arrow again and then enter. - It's probably easier to remove my hand from the keyboard & mouse onto the view menu; you're right - the keyboard shortcut is illustrated there, but by that stage I don't need it anymore, I'm busy and have other stuff to do, so I'm unlikely to remember it. The benefits of keyboard shortcuts have just been negated. If Mail.app were a Windows application and I didn't remember what the keyboard short cut is, then no problem. As soon as I press the ALT key, the "V" of View is discreetly underlined in the menu, as is the "F" of File, "E" of Edit" &c. Since Mailbox & Message both begin with "M", the programmer might choose the "a" of Mailbox to be underlined and have lease message to be accessed with ALT-a, but that doesn't matter to me, because I've already seen that I need to press "V", and the view menu has expanded. I know that I have to go into the Message submenu, and "M" of that word is underlined, so I go press that letter on the keyboard and then "H" for headers (because that is also underlined). Because all the keys required during this task are underlined & consequently obvious in Windows, it has taken me about a second to press ALT-a, v, m, h, and get the menu option I require. Compare this to the Macintosh's 13 key-presses. Also, because these key-strokes are indicated _at the time I require them_ (as opposed to being illustrated next to the menu item after I access it using an alternative input method) I'm more likely to notice, be aware of, and actually learn them. As a consequence I can tell you without thinking about it that one can shutdown a Windows XP PC without removing one's hands from the keyboard by pressing the Start key then u twice. I hate to be sitting here at my £1500 Macintosh, posting obsessively too many times per day to a Macintosh mailing-list and telling you that a PC does something better than a Mac, but I'm sorry, it's true. It does. Just this one single thing. Stroller.