Thanks for your suggestions i tried all of them and more with no luck, so i just did an archive and install and i'm good to go again. Thanks again Richard On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Richard Clark wrote: > I have the finder that crashes and restarts if i click on the > finder menu up top or if i try to control click on a file, it even > crashes if i use the gear menu. permissions have been repaired also > i tried installing the 10.4.2 combo update again to see if that > would correct the problem