At 7:38 PM -0600 on 2/11/05, Greg Chapel spoke about Re: [X4U] "Who makes the best personal computers?" vote at thusly: >I don't think the Apple II came out until 1982. As this was about the time >of Commodore 64 as well. I suspect you are in error, for I remember my amazement at IBM and M$ claiming the first, when that claim was first made. --