At 8:35 AM +0100 on 2/12/05, Paul Moortgat spoke about Re: [X4U] "Who makes the best personal computers?" vote at thusly: >IBM named their computers "PC", but computers where around then for >a longer time. It's like telling people you've the first LADA, but >before that time, there where other cars. A PC is a computer, but a >computer is not a PC. Yet "PC" was everyone's contraction of personal computer, and the Apple II was surely a personal computer. It was after the Mac that I began to hear PC mean an MS-DOS machine. I remember the M$ camp denouncing the Mac as a toy because it had a graphical user interface, and it was scorned in their marketing as a game machine, not a serious computer. Then comes Windows "innovation" and suddenly GUI was not a toy and gaming was best on the PC .... The true genius of Microsoft lies in marketing, not in software. I bought M$ stock when it first went public; likewise Apple. And those two investments saved the family from bankruptcy when the Alaska economy tanked in 1986-87 and all our other investments turned into losses. --