Thanks to the "Clarisdraw replacement" thread yesterday, I've been playing with both the demo's of Intaglio and EazyDraw. Overall, Intaglio feels more like Clarisdraw, and has the better gridlines. Unfortunately it also seems to be lacking some features, and definitely isn't as feature rich as EazyDraw. One definite annoyance is that they don't have the standard keystrokes for selecting Italics, bold, or underline (you have to include the shift key). I've tried searching help for a couple things, and found it totally unhelpful (it comes up with pages that don't even contain the word I searched for). EazyDraw definitely wins on features, and I've found most of them that I'd want, though the arrows don't seem to be as good as in ClarisDraw. What really bugs me the most about EazyDraw is that I found the rulers really confusing, and the gridlines are just plain poorly implemented. One thing I like about ClarisDraw, and have used is the custom symbol libraries, I don't see anything like this in either appliction. I can live with them not being able to import my existing libraries, but I would like to be able to at least recreate them. Another failing is in pattern fills, while EazyDraw definitely gets bonus points for including all of the ClarisDraw patterns, neither handles this as well as I'd like, and sadly Intaglio just plain stinks in this aspect. Overall, I really want to like Intaglio, and am definitely leaning towards it, but at the same time, it seriously lacking features related to files and symbols libraries. At the same time I think I need to spend more time playing with the gridlines on EazyDraw, as that's my primary source of complaints. I've also taken a quicker look at the Beta version of OmniGraffle 4 Pro, and a demo of MacDraft PE. Both of these programs have one fatal problem for me, they won't open ClarisDraw files. Of the two, I think I prefer MacDraft, and it seems to be almost exactly what I'm looking for. Though while it is supposed to have Symbol Libraries, I couldn't figure out how to access them. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |