Just as an aside, in the color world, Xerox has a unit that is $999, that includes networking, Adobe Postscript 3, and solid ink. 24ppm color or B&W. http://www.office.xerox.com/perl-bin/product.pl?product=8400&page=spec I just don't like the 4 pass units much. Note: We do sell these, but I've never actually used this unit. I've a lot of experience with the 7300 line, and some with the 6100. We've had no problems with the 7300's, but the 6100's are a slow. That's due to the class- they are 4 toner units, and the price is about $500. It also has a built in duplexer. We haven't sold any of their black & white printers into clients. Matthew Disclaimer: Obviously, we sell these. We are a Xerox Dealer. Matthew Barr Managing Partner Datalyte Consulting, LLC Apple Authorized Reseller mailto:mbarr at datalyte.com cell: (646) 765-6878 On Mar 11, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Anne-Marie Concepcion wrote: > At 10:15 AM -0800 3/10/05, Randy B.Singer wrote: >> But that was over a decade ago. Postscript >> clones are fine now, and apparently they help to keep the price of a >> laser printer down substantially over licensing real Adobe Postscript. >> >> I haven't heard a complaint about a Postscript clone in ages. > > If you post about a printing problem to any designer listserv, one of > the first questions they'll come back with is, "are you using an > emulated RIP or a "real" Adobe RIP"? > > It's a big issue in design circles ... many of whom use Macs ;-) . You > know, that whole publishing/advertising/creative pro market you may > have heard about... heh. Adobe people on forums/listservs almost > always recommend designers (of any platform) spec actual Adobe > PostScript 3 RIPs in their laser printers. > > However I agree up to a point with Randy, that at least *some* Adobe > PostScript clones/emulators do perfectly fine with the latest > fancy-schmancy PS3-only effects like in-RIP transparency flattening. I > couldn't say if Brother's emulator does well, and would love to hear > any feedback from any Brother PS RIP-using designers here. > > I personallly am in love with OkiData's line of PostScript printers > which are quite affordable partly because they use their own emulator, > as Randy said. I saw them at Macworld in SF a couple years ago with a > cute little C5300 color LED PS-3 (emulated) laser writer. The sales > guy told me that OkiData was the top-selling line of color laser > writers for designers in Europe and they were just starting to market > in the U.S. > > They had Illy 10 loaded on a Mac hooked up to the printer so I tried > "breaking" its output with all sorts of bleeding edge Illustrator > partially transparent overlays, raster drop shadows on Pantone colors, > and tiny type rotated and outlined and filled with a pattern etc. It > output like a champ. > > And it's doing great now in my studio with the latest Creative Suite > and 10.3.8 etc. BTW I think the street price for the C5300n ("n" for > network-ready, it has an ethernet port) is about $800... not bad for a > 4-color (4 toner carts) PostScript 3 laser printer ... letter size. I > think it's replaced now by the 5400n: > http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/C5200n-C5400Home.html > ... shows the same MSRP as the 5300n when I bought it. > > I do duplex manually but it has an auto duplexer add-on you can buy. > It's letter size ... the tabloid extra version is I think around 2K > but it's a big machine... this one has a nice small footprint. > > Oki still hasn't figured out how to get their message to designers or > Mac users. But they have a few PostScript black and white printers, > some with Ethernet, duplexing options etc. Here's one: > http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/B6200Home.html > > ... shows a suggested price of about $525.00, usually street is around > 25% less. > > Here's their list of all printers that support Mac OS X: > http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/MacSupport.html > > AM > -- > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Anne-Marie "HerGeekness" Concepcion, Fearless Leader > Seneca Design & Training | http://www.senecadesign.com/ > > DesignGeek Central: Tips and Tricks for the Digital Designer > http://www.senecadesign.com/designgeek/ > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U at listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984