I did a fresh Tiger install on a test partition, having previously copied (using sudo ditto -rsrcFork) from a 10.3.9 installation, the following before installing: /private/var (so my netinfo database is intact) /System/Library/Keychains /System/Library/Preferences ~/Library/Keychains, and ~/Library/Preferences The content appears to have been copied and permissions have been retained. On rebooting to the new partition (still 10.4.0), I get the standard login screen showing my network name, but when I type in my username and password fields, the user/password entry fails (for either my username or for root). What might I need to copy to set my user/password right, without having to go back to a fresh install? -- ___________________________________________________ RICK GORDON EMERALD VALLEY GRAPHICS AND CONSULTING ___________________________________________________ WWW: http://www.shelterpub.com