Let's say you're going for a job and you're told that your pay will be 4. First thing you'd ask, if you had any sense, would be "4 What"? etc... There is a distinction here, as mentioned before, between the purely mathematical application, where 15% does, in fact, equal .15, and a practical usage for the calculator, where expectations and practice are all over the place... On Nov 28, 2005, at 9:13 AM, net kat wrote: > oh, brother...yes, '4%' does have meaning, but I'm pretty sure you > know the sense in which I meant "no meaning." > > Let's say you're going for a job and you're told that your pay will > be 4%. First thing you'd ask, if you had any sense, would be "4% OF > what??" Person hiring you says, "No..just 4%. But rest assured, > because 4% is always 4/100, or 0.04. So...when do you start?" > > So, there's your meaning. You know you're being hired for 4%. But > until you know what it's 4% OF, the meaning isn't specific enough > for you to sign on. > > It could be 4% of the company's gross, 4% of the CEO's income, 4% > of what your secretary makes, or 4% of the intern's salary. > > Yes, it has a definition, but until or unless you know what it's > operating on, you don't have specific value, which is the object of > our doing a computation. > > nk > > > > On Nov 27, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Steve Self wrote: > >> However, 4% does have meaning, it is a small amount of something. >> It clearly does not have integer meaning, but meaning nonetheless. > Aron S. Spencer Elizabeth, NJ 07202