Hi, running 10.4.2 on B&WG3/733SonnetG4/640mb/ with all relavant updates. Now I am having trouble with Java. Certain Java windows, notably those running under https (my bank, Kagi) lock up input entirely as long as the window is foremost; neither mousekeys nor numberpad work, so it is only possible to close the window by force quiting the ap. It makes no difference whether Camino 0.99.a2+, Safari 2.0.1, or iCab. Suspecting the Java engine, I cleaned all caches and reinstalled Java 142 using Pacifist. This did help yesterday, but this morning things are back where they were. The "culprit" windows do work on my iBook 800 (2003)/384mb OS10.4.2 so that is the cause. Normal browsing causes no problems at all, neither with Camino - my default browser - nor Safari. Does anyone have any ideas what I should repair or replace besides Java. The usual maintenance does not help. thanks, Bill http://www.william-jurgenson.com