On 6 Apr 2006, at 16:06, Robert Ameeti wrote: > > The license is restricted to be purchased by System Builders ... or > is Microsoft just putting stuff on paper that means nothing? Yes. This is the nature of shrink-wrap software licenses. In any case where the software license terms you "agree to" in opening the software packet are at odds with local law and statutory consumer rights then local law will prevail. >> We're starting to see PCs regularly at the local dump > > So you are thinking that the average Mac user is going to go to the > dump to get a number.... No, they're simply going to not throw away their old PC in the first place and keep the license number off it. But really I was just illustrating how cheap & plentiful OEM keys are. > so that they can call up Microsoft and say that they just upgraded > a bunch of components of the computer and it is the same computer > and Microsoft should authenticate their Mac? The procedure when authorising an OEM copy of Windows XP is to phone up, enter the 30 digit number on your telephone touchpad, hear that the authorisation has failed, be put through to a service representative (UK calls are router though to India) and read out the 30 digit number again. Any CD key that has been authorised once already will fail, in order to add a human being to the procedure (and presumably discourage pirates) but that human being will without fail authorise the installation as long as you answer "this is the only computer on which the software is installed", "I just reinstalled Windows because I got a virus" and "it was preinstalled on the machine when I bought it"; if you have undertaken this procedure it is quite clear that it is all a formality. > I'm thinking there is a hole here when Microsoft's XP > authentication validator sees the MAC address as being from Apple. > Kinda throws a monkey wrench in the works, don't you think? The validator quite clearly does not asses that - indeed, you can create more than one validation key from the same license key. Demonstrate that for yourself by installing Windows XP then running the activation wizard. Instead of activating it choose to change the license key and enter the same one again - you will see a new validation key is generated. It may be possible to determine the MAC address from the validation key, but Microsoft are clearly not operating at that level. Besides, if they blocked MAC addresses belonging to Apple computers they'd get their asses sued off - the terms of the OEM license clearly allow me to "build a system" by buying an Apple Mac and adding memory to it for resale. > And o by the way, that license number on that computer at the dump > was a OEM license as well so it will only install using the > original disks that the manufacturer supplied with that computer. No, it'll work with any OEM CD. Although Dell & Packard Hell add software components (media players, antivirus software, additional drivers) to the reinstallation CDs that they supply with their computers Microsoft also sell OEM CDs to small system builders as an off-the-shelf component; these all use the same OEM key and can be purchased from any large vendor of PC components (some require the purchase of a "validating" piece of hardware, such as a 50p EIDE cable, but this is to keep on Microsoft's good side and maintain a wholesale relationship, not because the licensing conditions are legally enforceable). Stroller.