[CONTINUED] On 8 Aug 2006, at 20:34, Ted Burton wrote: > ... > As for the morality of the matter, I agree that the end user of OEM > software, who is neither the OEM nor a buyer of a computer from the > OEM, has participated in something wrongful, and shouldn't be doing > it. Let's say it's sinful, but not criminal. There's a difference. ... Here's another silly analogy. Apple's Aperture is a photo-editing program for the Macintosh. That's what it says on the front of the box, yet it won't run on my 1995 Motorola 6800 Macintosh. So if I came around here complaining about that I'd get kicked on the ass because I didn't read the print on the side of the box which said "only for G3 Macs and later". So here's a case where some very expensive lawyers have sat down & worked out how to explain in small print exactly on what terms Microsoft want to offer this software, and they've put it on the side of the box. And I've read that and interpreted it and I'm following it to the letter (buying my OEM copy and a USB cable), and yet you're pointing me to the headline on the front of the box which says "bird seed"? I'm really open to debate on the ethics of this and conjecture on what the "intent" of the license is. I'll get all incensed when someone calls me a liar, or tries to pass off blatant lies as gospel, but I think this instead is interesting debate, and I'm really open to being knocked down on it. We've all heard or read these arguments that "it's ok to pirate software because it's too expensive", "if they sold it cheaper I'd buy it" or "I only copy movies that aren't any good" and I'd be the first to agree that specious is a flattering adjective for such statements. But it seems to me that Microsoft have had five years (??) in which to refine the OEM license for XP, they've known that end-users have been buying OEM copies all that time, and they haven't tried to stop it. I mean, surely they could if they wanted to! Even if they tightened up on their partner channels - made even small system- builders like Dave's Computers physically sign a contract agreeing to only bundle XP with a complete system - it wouldn't be that hard. Instead the license, drawn up by The Worlds Most Expensive Lawyers (tm) says "well, it's ok, end-users can buy this as long as they buy a USB cable to go with it". I'd say it's reasonable for those highly-paid guys to define the expectation of usage of the software, and I'm not convicted that it's sinful, unscrupulous, dishonest or immoral for an end user to buy an OEM copy of Windows. Stroller.