nk said: >yep. that and MacWrite 2. > >I like what I can do now, relative to then, but it seems the emphasis >on simplicity was a much stronger value back then... Simplicity and tightly written code. Those old programs were tiny. (They had to be, they had to fit on a floppy disk with room to spare for things like the Mac OS!) Way back then there was a huge controversy over Apple competing with third party developers in the Mac application market. The theory was that if Apple had an offering that third party developers were locked out from competing, and that that discouraged developers from being interested in developing for the Macintosh. For a long time Apple stepped back and left the application market almost entirely to third parties. At some point, after Jobs came back to Apple, Apple really has reversed that stance. Apple now has new software offerings in just about every really important area except for a spreadsheet and a basic dedicated graphics program. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html