A couple of recent experiences have refreshed my appreciation that the Finder is still a poorly integrated single thread program. The problems seem to stem from situations that should be common to many Mac users. The solutions have been painful (reset button on machines that still have it, pull the plug on an iMac G5) and make it clear that Apple has somehow failed to bring the Finder to the world of solid Unix programming. My problems originate with the same underlying issue, something that should be handled by any reasonable program, and absolutely must be handled by the Finder. At work, running the latest 10.3 on a dual G4, I started to have hangs in many file dialog windows "Save File As". The spinning beachball would appear, and remain in force for periods of many hours. The program which requested the file dialog would only offer the option of "Force Quit" in the dock, but dozens of Force Quits did nothing. Turn to the terminal and try a standard "kill -9 pid" many times. No immediate effect. With some programs (Kaleidagraph) the program did eventually die after 5-15 minutes, with others (Finder, Safari, Entourage) I didn't see a kill over 30+ min. Once this problem happens, most running programs generate spinning beachballs after being brought to the foreground. Basically most every open program hangs! A key in finding the problem was that an 'ls' in a terminal window with a dead link would hang forever. The solution was related to the fact that our AFS servers changed IP addresses. Any directory with a symlink to an AFS file system would hang the whole system once the AFS link was no longer valid. Apparently OS X has no time out on scanning a directory, so when it hits a dead link it waits forever for it to return a list of files. What is surprising, and scary, is that you can't recover the system running as root issuing "kill -9". In contrast to any Unix system I have run on OS X seems to be able to ignore kill signals. Between 5 and 10 times I had this happen until I diagnosed the problem, and each time (after 10-30 min of waiting) the only solution was a hard reset. Unfortunately the same thing happened to me this today at home, when the computer hosting an afp mount went to sleep. The network connected client computer (iMac G5) with the afp file system mounted exhibited the same fatal behavior, which for the iMac requires pulling the plug to recover. Thus, it appear that there is a system call for scanning a directory that blocks kill signals and never returns if a link is dead. Blocking kills is something that should only be used in extreme circumstances, like across a fork. Since this happens with both afs and afp mounts, and seems to be related to a standard system call for returning a list of files, it must be in the OS X core. Such behavior is unacceptable. I have to hope it will fixed at some point so that a dead file system link does not require power cycling a computer. -John