> > Alas, these days, if you get 3-4 years of good performance from a > computer, that's good. > > Jeff Jeff, My wife made me get rid of my 9.5 year old 8500 upgraded with G3 chip running 10.3 (with help from the programming god, Ryan) last year. I replaced it with a MacMini. I have a Pismo, bought new, that I travel with some six times a month to Europe, so you know it gets handled quite a bit, yet, knock on wood, it performs better than new (the video sometimes get overwhelmed). Looking at the 15 inch Mac Pro. If they allow Java on the iPhone, I'm in. If you have little experience with Macs, be prepared for a long relationship. It just works, and works, and works. It is surprising how well the architecture handles improvements, year after year. Ed Graf