On 9 Aug 2007, at 20:18, Michael Winter wrote: > On Aug 9, 2007, at 1:47 PM, wilkinw wrote: > >> MacTheRipper for decoding! > > I may be wrong, but I thought MTR was only for video DVD's. Is the > disk in question a standard video DVD with the same copy protection > measures, or a data DVD? As I wrote previously on 4 Aug 2007, at 21:44: I believe that if you "rip" with a program that simply removes the CSS "region protection" then the original DVD structure can simply be copied onto a blank DVD-R which is viewable using a household player. CSS stands, I think, for "content scrambling system" and it's the reason you can't simply drag & drop files from a store-bought DVD onto a blank DVD-R. The scrambled content requires a decryption key which is written in an area of the disk inaccessible to home DVD writers. It is reasonable conjecture that the GPS's data DVD is encrypted with a key stored in this inaccessible area and that MTR will decrypt it. Of course, even if that guess is right, it doesn't mean that the GPS will play the decrypted DVD-R, but it's worth a try. You can do a bitwise copy of any DVD on any o/s, so it's irrelevant that the friend's machine is a PC & yours a Mac. The same part of the DVD is unwritable by any consumer DVD writer, so in the event that a disk is copy-protected it's this that you've got to worry about. This special area of the disk can be stamped when DVDs are mass-produced in a factory, of course, but for one-off use the only way you can write to the "magic" area is by using an "authoring DVD-writer" and special DVD±R disks. I think I read that these are several grand to buy, but that vendors are only licensed to sell one to you if your name ends in "Studios". I believe the magic area can be _read_ by any consumer DVD player or computer DVD drive - this is how the encryption code is read & used to decrypt the movie - but one might also conjecture that software DVDs (like this GPS map DVD) might utilise it differently. One could, for instance, leave the entire contents of the data DVD unencrypted but have one's software read the magic area - as long as it contains the string "12345" then you can be sure that it's not a homemade DVD- R backup. No decryption takes place here, the mere presence of *anything* in the magic area testifies that the disk is not a copy. I guess that the game disks for Playstations, Xboxen and the Wii use the "magic area" in a similar way to prevent copying. I don't think there is any ongoing decryption as the game is being played but rather it is checked when the game starts. Aside from these, and from regular region-locked movies, I have myself only encountered one other special DVD which appears to utilise the magic area of the DVD; that was a Panasonic "Service Disk" which allows one to access a menu and enter codes to remove the region and macrovision from the "Q" Gamecube and from other of Panasonic's DVD players. I have not heard of any success copying this disk. I hope this is clear. I realise after writing all that that I haven't defined encryption & decryption, so the distinctions made in my last couple of paragraphs might not be apparent. Please let me know if you'd like me to try again. :/ I'm sorry this doesn't directly answer your question, but I think it's impossible to know for sure if this disk is copyable or not. It costs you little to try MacTheRipper. If one knew the brandname of the GPS unit one might be able to research further, but I suspect that hacking the unit will NOT be trivial. I concur with Mr Winter that you should look into the manufacturer's media replacement policy - preferably before you need to use it. It might be possible to register the disk and purchase a replacement next month for your "lost" one, other companies require the scratched or damaged disk back before they'll issue a disk under such schemes; in this case you should check your insurer's policy on such software. Stroller.