On 2 Feb 2007, at 19:22, Robert Ameeti wrote: > > The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy > protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the > graphics cards guys. > > See <http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html> > for why Vista is slower than XP. [CONTINUED] Mr Gutmann's article would have been FAR more useful in assessing the actual "hidden cost of Vista" had he compared the playback performance of Vista & XP using unprotected hi-def content against playing DRM'd content using the DRM channels he describes. Since the AACS content-protection of Blu-ray & HD-DVD has now been circumvented, full-quality HD-DVD rips are available via BitTorrent with the DRM removed (although I don't know whether this was available at the time of the article's original publication). These can be played on XP or on Vista without meeting the DRM requirements, and playback performance of the the unencrypted rip could easily be compared against that of the DRM'd HD-DVD (of the exact same movie at the exact same resolution / quality / bit-rate). This would allow one to usefully say that "your P4 3.2ghz playing DRM'd content under Vista gives the same playback performance of a 2.5ghz P4 under XP playing unprotected content". An overhead of (say) 50% would be enough to impress consumers a little bit with how craptastic DRM actually is, but it probably wouldn't stop many of them buying hi-def movies if that's what they want to watch. Unfortunately you'll never be able to headline that "an old 486 could play back this movie if it wasn't for Vista's DRM" because the playback demands of hd-content is so demanding, anyway. The whole point of a hi-def movie is that it's at a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels - my back-of-a-fag-packet maths indicates that's about 6 times the bits to throw around your system than required for a standard 720 x 480 NTSC DVD. The content of Gutmann's article that is actually measurable and tangible is restricted to about the first 3 paragraphs of the "Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption" section. And even then he doesn't ACTUALLY measure it, but uses phrases like "considerable cost to both ends of the connection". I like his comment "finding SSL being run inside a PC from one software module to another is just weird" - it amuses me, and he's quite right, but this surely might as well be applied to "the hidden cost of playing back DRM'd content on any licensed Blu-Ray / HD-DVD playback software". Gutman says "twenty years ago, in their work on the ABYSS security module, IBM researchers concluded that the use of encrypted buses as a protection mechanism was impractical" and when I look up my thesaurus to describe this statement I come up with antonyms for insighful such as "obtuse", "vacuous" and "vapid". Well, duh! Of course encrypted buses were impractical on am Amiga or a 68000 Macintosh II. Those things had like 7mhz processors and cost hundreds of thousands of pounds - nowadays ISPs give away routers with 200mhz processors for free when you subscribe to their service. Vista proves that "encrypted buses as a protection mechanism" are now practical (whether we like it or not) and this is only a testament to the improvements made to computing power over the last 2 decades. From reading the MythTV list I understand that you're basically advised to get a modern dual-core processor if you want to play back any hi-def content - that's playing it unprotected content under Linux. Once you've got that sort of processing power kicking around it's unclear that the overhead of DRM is actually punishing (despite any hyperbole Mr Gutmann or I might wish to use in constructing our descriptions of it). Stroller.