Slightly. But then I realise he "appears" to be just another smug, self opinionated mac user and I brush it off. In this world, there are people who have to use Windows. There are people who have to use Macs. There are people who have to use various iterations of *nix, including Linux, Unix and (showing my age now) Xenix. We use what we have to use to get the job done that we need to do. I have an MBP17 and a HP nx9420. Apart from the fingerprint sensor and the media card reader on the HP, they are the exact same hardware. Fundamentalism, (the belief that my choice is right and everyone else is wrong) is just plain stupid no matter where it occurs. Whether that be in the choice of a computer, a political party, a religion, anywhere. Some people get to choose what they use to do their work. Consider yourself lucky. The majority of Windows users don't get a choice. Their employer dictates what they use at work, and that generally rubs off into the home as well. I had to go and see my cardiologist yesterday to check that everything was working OK after the operation, and I was very surprised to find that the office he shares uses iMacs and not Windows boxes. And yet all the people there complain about the Macs, because they use Windows at home and elsewhere and know how to use it. The Macs were put in because the owner of the practice likes Macs and was prepared to accept what appears to be a second rate practice management system because of his bias towards Macs. Does that make him right or wrong? Doesn't matter either way, it was the decision he made as the owner. One of the major advantages to a Mac is that I can run multiple operating systems on it. I can run Mac OS X. I can run Windows XP. I can run Windows Vista. I can run any version of Windows. I can run almost any version of Linux. And I know that it will work well, because of the hardware it is running on. Like the HP, the MBP is built on solid, high quality hardware. And it works well. My HP has very rarely ever crashed in it's lifetime. And as a consultant, I abuse the heck out of it. I install stuff I shouldn't. I get attacked by huge numbers of viruses and malware simly because it is used as a storage centre for clients while their machines are being worked on. And it keeps chugging along. The company I consult for puts computer networks into dental practices and supports them. It is very rare for us to ever have a problem that cannot be solved simply by a reboot. That is the simplest way I know to fix operator error. The servers almost never have problems because we keep the users away from them. Does that make the Windows boxes that we put into the practices less good than a Mac? Nope. The software we support runs on windows so we deal with it. The previous software we supported ran on Xenix/Unix so we supported it. The other software run on Sun workstations so we supported it. and if the writer of the software decides to go to Macs, we will support that as well. We do what we have to do and learn what we have to learn to support our clients to help them achieve what they want to achieve. If a Mac does what you want, then by all means buy one. But don't denigrate Windows users because that is their choice. my AU$0.02 worth....... cjc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <XPressoBean at mac.com> To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." <x4u at listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [X4U] Flushed his toilet > On 1/24/07 2:48 PM, Christopher J Collins wrote: > >> **I put up my hand** >> >> I have to use both, does tht count for a PC user? > > Did you feel alienated by Paul's joke? ;-) > > ~Linda (trying to remember that Macs are Personal Computers too -- Mac > users > ARE PC users -- the real division is between Mac users and Windows users!)