On 16 Feb 2008, at 14:38, Linda wrote: >> I was unaware of the use of the word "esteemed" as a synonym for >> "amateur". > > It isn't, of course. As indicated by my smiley, which you edited out of your reply. I was being entirely off-the-cuff with my remark, but following up your reply I find Mr Bryson to get a heck of a kicking from other etymologists, considering he's so "esteemed". >> I was looking to disprove your keeping-up-with-the-Jones etymology. > > Well, thanks! It's nice to know that you weren't interested in all the > possible answers so much as you simply wanted to prove an > individual wrong. Don't take stuff that's said on the internets personally. The heroin explanation sounded right to me, so I went looking for confirmation of that. That's all I meant by my statement. I didn't think "let's all gang up on Linda" and start plotting how to be a big old meanie to you. I simply wanted to be completely open about my bias when I presented the evidence that I did (for what internet searches are worth in that regard). If you wish to debate the point then do, indeed, debate the POINT, not what a mean old curmudgeon I am, and find sources as respectable as Merriam-Webster and predate its 1965 edition. Stroller.