On 21 Jan 2008, at 19:44, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 1:33 PM +0000 1/21/08, Stroller wrote: >> >> I like good-quality computers, I can't bring myself to buy a >> machine without PCI slots or enough space for a second hard-drive >> or extra RAM. I won't buy a machine with a built-in monitor on the >> principle that I already have two perfectly good monitors here. I >> am probably only just in the class of people > > I really don't care that much about the PCI slot issue, I don't > have any cards in my G5... Me, either, to be honest. On a Mac, it's difficult to think of any I might use - the memory slots & hard-drive space is far more important. > ...I will not run a desktop with a built in monitor Why do you say this? I'm glad it's not just me that feels this way!! If I were to look at the cost of iMacs & their resale value, I might find my dismissal of them to be a little bit irrational, but nevertheless I feel that in buying an iMac I would be buying a monitor that I'd be obliged to "throw away" when I upgrade my PC. All- in-one Macs just seem so "wasteful" to me. > and I'm drooling over the thought of a Mac with 4 HD bays. Yeah, I have to say I perked up a little bit when I read about that. >> If you order a MacPro you don't HAVE to have 2 x quad-cores. >> There's a build-to-order option that allows you to elect only a >> single quad-core processor and - here in the UK - it shaves about >> £300 off the price. This brings the MacPro into the realms of >> affordable, about what I've paid for Power Macs in the past, when >> the cheaper options have been available. > > True, but I prefer mid-range, for extending the life of the machine > past 3 years. Though any MacPro is likely to be very usable after 3 > + years. When the time comes to upgrade, I very likely will go > with the low-end model this time ... I'm not convinced a computer with "only" a quad-core processor is entirely "low end". ;) I've never been sure that an extra core is as good as an extra processor, but feel I'm unlikely to complain over the speed of a quad- core Xeon. It did occur to me that the build-to-order single quad- core MacPro is likely to share the same motherboard as the one with two quad-cores, so it might be possible to upgrade it economically in the future. I don't know all of which processors might fit this machine - or the full details of Intel's Core2 range (could one find cheaper, non-Xeon quad-cores that would fit?) - but I notice (for instance) that 3 year-old Dell servers go quite reasonably on eBay, and one might find quad-cores installed in current models of those. Stroller.