On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Jens Selvig wrote: > Apple is an arrogant company in some ways... maybe it's different types of arrogance which we're seeing... Apple's is "yeah, we're great" but they actually DO make great stuff. with m$, it's "You need us so pound sand" and they make lousy stuff, yet everyone is forced to use it in the enterprise category. zc