Ed . . . While I haven't looked at your machine . . . I'm guessing that either you have a hardware problem causing your issues, or you have some piece of software that is not compatible, or you have a corrupted preference/third party add on/whatever that is causing your issues. Your list of apps is not that large (although I did notice that you appear to have two weather applications running) but a properly installed Leopard on a machine that does not have a hardware issue is pretty stable. Leopard is find running plenty of apps on my MacBook Pro with 3 GB or RAM. At the moment I have Mail, Firefox, Finder, TextEdit, Preview, Photoshop Elements 6, System Preferences, LaunchBar, Terminal, and 1Password running. Background processes include WeatherPop, iMonTime, SlimBatteryMonitor, LIttle Snitch, MenuMeters, iStatMenus, Mozy, Awaken, FinderPop, MainMenu, MissingSyncMonitor, Synchronize Pro X, Airport Base Station Agent, FontExplorerXAutoload, and Magical. (not trying to one-up you on the application list; that's just my normal set of login utilities and the apps I happen to be running right now). If you're having issues with as much RAM as you have then . . . it is most likely not Leopard; but one of those things I mentioned in the first paragraph. I feel for you . . . particularly if it's an intermittent hardware problem. My guess is that you've an old version of some software or else a corrupted preference file or something. On Jul 24, 2008, at 12:58, Ed Gould wrote: > > I am also stuck at the (because of budget issue) on my current > hardware, essentially forever. If I would have known Apple was going > to pull the switch on my system I would not have bought it. > > The only thing I can say nice about OS X is that it doesn't crash as > much as OS9 did. I think giving up Eudora caused my system to become > semi stable. Switching to OS X (several different versions) have > really not helped all that much. OS9 to me was nothing more than a > windows machine as it crashed daily (or more). > > I am putting myself in a position I know but I suppose if I were > ever to get another machine it would be a linux machine or something > else other than Apple. > > Color me an unhappy Apple person because of software (app and OS) > issues and hardware issues.