Now there, Ed! You need to settle down and have a nice refreshing glass of Steve's Kool-Aid. You'll feel right as rain and be happy to spend $199 (plus a 2 year contact) for your new iPhone so you can have the privilege of buying your applications/music/movies from the stores. But honestly, I'm not mad at Apple and co. I'm mad at me, us, and everyone else who keeps encouraging them. Apple keeps making money because we keep spending it in their direction. When we spend it, we vote. "We" have been voting in favour of the iPhone, the MacBook Air and Leopard. Ignorant fools that we are... I'll be dammed if I'm going to pay for Snow Leopard. I've been paying for Leopard every day since I bought and installed it. Bug fixes have been slow to come and I'm not about to pay for them just because Apple put's a name on them. I bought a defective product and I want it fixed. Now! I don't pay to be a beta tester, I get paid to be one!!! Yes, M$ is much, much worse, and there isn't a flavour of Linux that I'm comfortable enough with to switch to full time yet. But the reason the grass is so green 'over here' is because we've had so much fertilizer spread around lately. Dave (Yes Ed, I agree with you fully! Let the flames begin...) --- 4 ''pearls'' that are vital to success in the software industry. 2 Things to avoid... Underestimating yourself Overestimating your competition 2 Things to remember... The customer is not only right - but they are EVERYTHING The code will NEVER be finished to your own satisfaction - define what you want to release then release there - the temptation to just keep adding features is over powering. On 14-Jun-08, at 14:53, Ed Gould wrote: > Same here zc. I am basically tired of Apple jerking us around and > before I get inundated with Apple can do no wrong I disagree > profoundly and no amount of Apple is great, can you take my next > child to be indoctrinated, please. They are as bad when you come > down to it as MS. I am talking about Billy G and his Ilk. Jobs & > company are equally bad just not as rich. Yes I know MS windows suck > but when Apple changes the game every few years I am willing to put > up with bad software, sorry. > > Ed