On May 30, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > but often the first sign that the battery is dead is that your Mac > won't startup. kind of a side note, but does this strike anybody else here as a kind of dumb design? having to re-set the date by hand bcs of a dead pram battery is one thing, but having a whole computer rendered inoperable by something so small...just seems stoopid to me. I had 1 pram battery go bad on me in my life...was the DP G4, but I could still fire the thing up at least. sheesh! n