On 31 May, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Jon wrote: > And the same results should be seen on any desktop Mac > without a PRAM battery or with a dead one. In other words, > no disaster, minor inconvenience. This was easiest to > demonstrate on a portable, but through the years I've used > desktops with dead batteries (Mac and dark side) with > similar outcomes. After a while, it's a big PITA, but that's all. Some of the earlier PowerPC Macs would not provide a video signal if the PRAM battery was too low, ie: PM6100, PM7100, and PM8100 if I recall correctly. They would give a green power button light, but no video signal at startup with a low battery. After waiting a few seconds (perhaps 20 to 30), the video signal could be restored by pressing the power button long enough to initiate the restart procedure. This temporary wait would allow the battery to take a surface charge which would usually be enough to excite the video circuit and provide the full video image. Is that a "minor inconvenience" or a significant delay in starting your computer? Something to be decided by each individual user, I think. You would not believe the number of local school teachers who simply could not begin to understand why they were having no video at startup. I would explain that it was the surest indication that the battery needed to be replaced, but they would insist that the computer was working properly, just no video at startup. When I demonstrated the procedure and then changed the battery for a good one, they usually asked why Apple didn't just make the "low battery" dialogue window appear when the computer was turned on. I guess that they couldn't make the connection between a low battery, no video signal, and not being able to show a dialogue window on screen. These people were teaching our kids?