On Jul 20, 2012, at 6:10 PM, catsoul wrote: > I am not going to trade scars with you over this. If you think that > Lion is issue-free, then I am glad for you. Anyone else having the > opposite experience apparently confronts a gauntlet of Apple-can-do- > no-wrong. I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to criticize Apple when they deserve it, and they have justly deserved it many times in the past. But I'm not in favor of misleading users either. Unless you can point to other users having the same issues you are having (and there are plenty of public forums to refer to where users recount their problems), then clearly the issues that you are experiencing are unique to your individual Macintosh. Apple (and to be fair, just about any manufacturer) does occasionally produce a computer here and there that is a lemon, and any computer, including any Mac, can fail, sometimes mysteriously. But just because your computer is having a problem, and that problem manifested itself after you upgraded to Lion, doesn't mean that users are commonly having problems with Lion. There would have to be other examples to point to to say that is the case. I haven't heard of them, and I'm in touch with an awful lot of Mac users. But I'm open to being educated. Is there, for instance, a thread on Apple's discussion forums where lots of folks are experiencing the same problems you are? You say that you have had Apple attempt to fix your problems several times. Are you aware that Apple has a policy of replacing your Mac if they have tried to fix it three times and fail? Have you tried contacting Customer Relations (NOT Technical Support or AppleCare)? Customer Relations is set up to help users with unusual, or unusually vexing problems that Technical Support can't help with. Call: 1-800-275-2273 and ask for "customer relations." ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________