<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Pretty much all over.. Google will probably reveal particulars, especially in California.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>As for being a far way from surviving by self-generated power, that may be true, but it doesn't change the reality that the systems which produce and deliver electricity are more often strained to their breaking points.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It may not be pleasant to think that you can't take the grid for granted anymore, but it certainly is realistic.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>nk</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 29, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Richard Gilmore wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">Really? Where? When? In North America?</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 9.0px Geneva; min-height: 12.0px"><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">I predict that, before long, those who can run their computers off of</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">wind- or solar-charged batteries will be the ones who can actually be</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">functional and effective.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 9.0px Geneva; min-height: 12.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">nk</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 9.0px Geneva; min-height: 12.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">Despite the fragility of the grid I think we're a long way from surviving</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">only by self generated power. Not that electricity conservation isn't a good</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">thing.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 9.0px Geneva; min-height: 12.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Geneva" size="1" style="font: 9.0px Geneva">Richard<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>