I thought this list was for free support? We get support and we give support. Then contact Apple last. Usually, it is not best to deal with a corporation (one exception, in my case, was Toyota: they were great). Apple's gotta make money. MS charges its Windows developers $300 a call. I was at an MS support center in Bellevue, WA one time and a very intelligent and very experienced Windows developer called tech support and said he was having trouble installing Access on XP. His credit card was taken, he was billed $300, then told that XP acts a bit funky when you install Access, and he was sent data on how to correct the problem. When I heard several calls like that, I was like, "Wow, they have a real racket going on here!" I wouldn't be surprised if Apple often gets calls that last over an hour or two. And that tech person is maybe making maybe $15-20 an hour, then add in the other employee costs, like payroll taxes, social security, medical, and all that other good stuff. Throw in Apple's cut, and it adds up. P david wrote: > On 12/12/02 10:47 AM, "schwarztech at jmug.org" <schwarztech at jmug.org> wrote: > > > I called Apple and they gave me crap about the $50 fee for support, and > > they said that they'd reimburse me if it's a hardware problem. > > > > For that price, I'll go buy a damn RAM chip and forget the whole hassle, > > and plus I wouldn't be without the machine for weeks on end, like I've > > heard from some... > > > > Apple's support really pisses me off, especially when a machine is still > > under the