> i really would like to avoid both and just > use QT. but if i do have to use them, which one would y'all recommend? Interesting that the others find Real Player better. I personally find that I want to 'like' Real Player better...however, I guess it depends on your use... I have found that on dial up and for listening only to internet radio stations I prefer WMP as it seems to have less annoying pop up items and other bandwidth sucking features. I also find that at least for the stations I listen to the WMP allows lower bandwidths and still sounds acceptable. With Real Player I found that it either wants to use 44kbps or 16 kbps which for me where too high or too low. But I imagine that if you want news or interactive items available on the web Real Player may be the better choice. my .02 Cheers, Richard --