OK, yesterday I decided to take the advice of many of you and buy Panther a decision made much easier when I learned that it was offered through my university for $12! Here¹s the verdict so far on how it performs compared to 10.2.8 on my 366 iBook SE with 320 MB of RAM (which does not support Quartz Extreme) and on my wife¹s 800 Titanium PowerBook with 512 MB of RAM (she bought her own copy of Panther through the university): * Finder windows render at about the same speed, but they're much more logical and useful than the 10.2 Finder windows (no change on the TiBook); * MS Office apps start marginally faster and seem to run a little better and less clunky, especially Entourage (same on the TiBook); * Expose runs a little clunky on my iBook (the windows separate a little slowly and jerkily), but I LOVE it (it runs quickly and smoothly on the TiBook, and my wife loves it too); * No improvement in Safari rendering speed (run off a 1.5 Mbps cable modem ethernetted to a non-Extreme AirPort). Safari annoyingly starts up with the window in a different location than it was when last open -- anyone know how to fix this? Also, text resolution in Safari seems a little worse. (My wife thinks it runs slightly faster now). * Mozilla Firebird runs a little better and faster. * Preview works significantly better and faster, and scrolling is much improved. * After installation of Panther and all apps, I had to repair permissions and run DiskWarrior on both machines because the installations fragmented the directories to around 30% and screwed up several files. DiskWarrior fixed everything well (it's truly a great app). I¹m convinced that OS 10.2.8 has some bugs that matured (or became manifest) only in the past two weeks. This list has recently witnessed a lot of complaints about apps that suddenly began acting up. Also, my wife¹s 800 TiBook and my 366 iBook just started behaving very weirdly (but I fixed them by installing Panther). I am not saying that Apple wrote a bug into 10.2.8 to push people to buy Panther, but it is weird that so many people suddenly started having problems after running 10.2.8 with no problems since its release. Anyway, I am pleased with Panther on my iBook, but only because it cost me $12 -- $129 is wayyy too much to ask for it from people who paid $129 for Jaguar only a year ago. It's nice, but it's not worth $129 unless you're upgrading from 10.1 or OS 9. That's my two cents, Jay Boshara On 11/7/03 4:01 PM, "iBook List" <ibook at lists.themacintoshguy.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:34:10 -0700 > Subject: Re: [P1] Strange stuff... > From: Paul Bernhardt <pbern10 at xmission.com> > Message-Id: <5C0E695A-1159-11D8-969C-000393949006 at xmission.com> > > Overall, my G3 iBook with 10.2.8 started running really slowly a few > days ago... lots of delays on all kinds of things, nonresponsive > cursor, etc... > > I just did a restart and all was solved. Maybe some kind of corruption > occurred and was solved by the restart. > > Paul