On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Kirk McElhearn wrote: >> Check Apple's web page for what ships with the computer. So far all >> new >> Macs ship with OS 9 installed and OS 9 CD. > > That's so not true! They ship with OS X and OS X CDs, and all but one > or two > models won't even boot into OS 9. Simply because they won't boot into OS 9 does not mean OS 9 is not installed on the Mac. You might refer to it as Classic but that is the enabler that lets OS 9 run under OS X. (You do have the option of not installing it or removing it, as I have done.) From <http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html> The PowerPC G5, however, offers a seamless transition to 64-bit performance: Current 32-bit code — such as Mac OS X, the Mac OS 9 Classic environment and existing applications — runs natively at processor speed. With no interruptions to your workflow. And no additional investment in software required, period. ... iSync, DVD Player, Mail, EarthLink, Acrobat Reader, Classic environment and Apple Developer Tools Jaguar installs OS 9, most often referred to as Classic... Panther will also contain Classic (OS 9). <http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/> Classic technology supports most of your current Mac OS 9 applications --- I am not afraid to make mistakes. In fact, I have become fairly competent in that regard. <http://www.JackRodgers.com> <http://www.lobatelacscale.com> JackRodgers at earthlink.net