Oh yeah, I forgot to mention . . . I recently "discovered" these Targus adapter tips, at US$10 apiece (+ shipping of course.) size for pre-G4 PBooks and pre-DualUSB iBooks: <http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=APT8> <http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=APTS8> size for G4 PBooks and DualUSB (+ later) iBooks: <http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=APT15> <http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=APTS15> I'm not sure what the connection on the Targus side of the tip looks like. Since I haven't one on hand, could someone who has one give details on what the Targus side looks like? Hey, if you replicated the Targus end, with both tip sizes on hand you could power any generation of Apple portable from the one adapter. dan k ................................. http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 .................................