option-shift -key works, at least on my default font. I was using caps-lock instead of shift. Thanks! I have Character Palette in my menu bar, but it's unsatisfactory since it doesn't show under which key lies the symbols. That's why I like Key Caps: it shows the whole keyboard with each character under each key and can be changed to the appropriate key stroke, e.g., options, shift (u/c), no shift (l/c), caps-lock such that all characters for that keyboard setting are shown at the same time in relation to the keys used. No Keyboard Viewer in Tiger. Again, thanks! Fred At 12:03 +0000 02/11/2005, Miche Doherty wrote: >Fred Stevens K2FRD <k2frd at mac.com> wrote: > >>I've always enjoyed being able to type in the little Apple logo with >>the bite taken out of it although I haven't used it for some time. I >>think all that was needed was to type "K" with the Option key. When I >>upgraded to Tiger (now at 10.4.2) a few months ago, I didn't think >>about it and haven't had the need to use it until now. This time, >>when I went to type it, it wouldn't show up. I have one of the fonts >>widgets for Dashboard, so I went looking for it and couldn't find it. >>I then went to Key Caps in OS 9.2 -I like the little keyboard which >>shows all the keys in all my fonts- and I still couldn't find it >>although I quit looking after Helvetica (I have several hundred >>fonts). Has Apple taken away my apple? How can I get it back? >> >>And, is there anything comparable for OS X to the old Classic OS with >>Key Caps? Key Caps is still the easiest font face finder that I've >>ever used since it shows the whole keyboard at a time. > >I run Panther, not Tiger, but assuming no major changes: > >1: Option-shift-K is the keystroke you want. > >2: Open the International pane in System Preferences and choose the >Input Menu tab. You can then enable the input menu in your menu bar and >use it to access the Character Palette and/or the Keyboard Viewer - the >latter is very similar to Key Caps. > >Miche.