Interesting reply...thanks, you taught me something. I take it that you're not having the problems with new iPods and iTunes 4 that are being described on many sites? And you believe AAC is noticeably superior to MP3? I'm barely functional on OSX so far, troubleshooting is my main weakness there (command line use scares me so far). So I'm loathe, especially when hearing about so many problems, to make a change in what works so well for me. I have the patience to wait until I hear how they're resolved. I do salute the "bleeding-edgers" for being brave with their time and money. I have a 5 and 10gig now but my wife feels shortchanged, so that's why I'm thinking of getting the 20 and relegating the 5 to utility startup disk. Anyone out there using the older iPods that way? How do you set that up, with ccloner?