Yes. Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) turns out to be the only way to make iPods Jaguar boot-able. I learned the hard way. After numerous installs of a boot-able 9 and a hanging 10.2.1 or 10.2.6 I finally got frustrated and called a leading expert on the subject of iPods who happens to be a neighbor. Chris Breen author of the Peachpit Press book "Secrets of the iPod" told me this morning that you have to use CCC to get Jaguar to boot from an iPod. He says Apple isn't saying why. So I spent this evening building a new "perfect" OS X .2.6 with all the goodies I want on my Pod. I'm new to the Pod. Took advantage of both the MacWarehouse.com $295 - 20's and the Dell $404 - 30's last week. Working on the 20's right now. So a perfect 9.2.2 is done directly and then CCC makes adding OS X a piece of cake. If I'd only known what I know now . . . Between all the goodies and both systems, it's about 2 GB. So you will still be able to put a lot of songs on that 5. Anyone who doesn't use their iPod as a personal portable Mac boot drive is overlooking one of its main attributes. No matter where you go, if there's a Mac in the house, you can make it your own with nothing more than your customized system's iPod and a FW cable. Also, the beauty of the "Old" models is that they run with a standard FW cable and that they also can relate musically to the laggard's OS 9 iTunes 2.0.4. New iPods do not work in 9 except as boot disks. There are an awful lot of OS 9 die hards out there. I'm sure the majority of Mac users are still using 9. Many of them don't want to spend the money it takes to upgrade their library of software and to pay for OS X. I went to a dealer last night and he is still entering his FileMaker Pro Database of customers in 9 even though the same database will work in X. Go figure. k On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 10:41 AM, Henri wrote: > I'm thinking of getting the 20 and relegating the 5 to utility startup > disk. Anyone out there using the older iPods that way? How do you set > that up, with ccloner?