Hello Robert Nobody's suggested that this is a definitive problem with the card - we know it only happens with some cards and not others. It's probably a fault in some of the G4 chips? That's why I don't understand the policy of not just exchanging the faulty cards for ones that *will* wake up. By the way - it's very helpful to have a representative of PL (the CEO even!) on the list. It gives PL good feedback on user experience and we get to know that you are listening. Best James on 15/1/03 4:20 pm, Robert Jagitsch at robertj at powerlogix.com wrote: >> >> >> So here's what we know: some stock Apple machines have sleep problems. Some >> PL upgraded machines have sleep problems. Some machines have no problems >> with the Apple proc, but as soon as the PL card is installed, problems >> occur. We still don't know why on either count, but it's clear there's >> something "off" because it's hard to blame Apple for a problem that only >> exists in some machines when a PL card is installed and it's hard to believe >> it's a kernel issue, when the problem spans across multiple OS versions. >> > > Actually you forgot one scenario: some PL upgraded machines have no > sleep problems whatsoever. The problem is, how does one pinpoint the > problem when it doesn't manifest itself in every instance? If there > was a definitive problem with our cards in terms of hardware, it > should occur every time. Yet it does not. That's what makes this such > a time consuming, frustrating engineering conundrum. > > R -- James Knight Norwich, UK j.knight at kb-group.co.uk Tel +44 (0) 1603 717727 Fax +44 (0) 1603 717730 Mobile +44 (0) 7860 599015